Meet Blacksmith Doug Lockhart of Lockhart Ironworks - Paula's friend Doug, owner of Lockhart Ironworks, is a real life blacksmith and talks about how he makes his beautiful carbon steel skillets.
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- Y'all, I am so excited about the next three videos,
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I think.
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Because I became friends over Facebook
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with a couple that lives in Ohio.
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And he is a true, let's see, what would the words be?
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When we met for the first time today, I said,
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"He reminds me of some of the men at Williamsburg
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that do all the ironworks."
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So I want to introduce you to Doug,
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and I want you to tell us all about your business,
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how you got started.
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Just tell us.
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- Well, first of all, Miss Paula,
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I wanna thank you for having us down.
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I brought the family with me. - I know.
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- Some of our family,
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and you'll get to meet them in a little bit.
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And it's just a beautiful place,
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and we're just so grateful to be here.
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- Oh, listen, - Thanks for having us.
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- I'm so grateful.
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We had been planning this get-together for a long time,
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but then cold weather, - The snowstorm.
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- Yeah, they're from Ohio. - Got in the way.
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- Yeah, and we have really,
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this country really had a hard winter,
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but we finally made it.
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And you look just like your work.
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- Why, thank you. - Very handsome man.
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- There's nothing fake about us.
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- No. - We are-
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- So tell everybody what you do.
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- So I'm a full-time blacksmith in Logan, Ohio.
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And I have worked with my children,
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and they're all grown now.
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When I say kids or children, I mean grown adults.
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And they're all working in the shop with me.
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- Oh, that's wonderful. - And I've been-
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- How many kids work in your shop?
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- I have a son, two daughters, and a son-in-law,
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and we're all working in the shop.
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And I've been able to share my passion with them
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and have them- - Wonderful.
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- Follow in my footsteps.
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And now, as we said earlier, I'm 62.
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And as I'm getting older, I need to start slowing down.
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And they're taking over more and more of the business.
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So what happened is, in a traditional blacksmith shop,
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we do everything.
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We will repair a model, like in the morning,
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somebody will bring a Model A car in,
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and need a part of the frame fixed or the bumper.
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Or else we'll get some vintage farm equipment,
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or we'll get some reproduction pieces.
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It's all over the place.
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And so about eight or 10 years ago,
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my daughter and I, Danielle,
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decided that we wanted to kind of focus on something
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that all of the children's strengths could be used.
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Some are better at managing and marketing,
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some are better at welding, some are better at forging.
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- I mean, wonderful when everyone has their own niche.
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- Yeah, now, here's something to keep in mind.
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And I'm gonna make a statement here.
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It's in my opinion
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that females make far better blacksmiths than men.
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Because, it has nothing to do with the size of the hammer
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or force, or brute strength.
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It has to do with finesse,
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and it has to do with timing and use
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and management and using your head.
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And I learned that from my daughter, Danielle.
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She started in the shop seriously when she was 12.
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And I watched her grow. I needed the help in the shop.
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So she didn't have a chance to develop her own style.
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So she had to, we had an order for 1,000 hooks.
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She had to make 500, and I had to make 500,
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and they all had to match.
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So she matched my work impeccably.
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And now it's very difficult to tell difference.
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- Tell who did it. - Yeah.
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But Danielle right now is on a sabbatical.
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She's doing something more important than blacksmithing,
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which is raising our grandchildren.
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- Yes.
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- She's doing a great job with that.
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And we brought them with us.
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But, anyway, about eight or 10 years ago,
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Danielle and I focused on,
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we wanted to make something that everybody would be...
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See, if a Model A car comes into my shop,
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it's only going to, - It's temporary.
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- And well, no, but it's only,
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the only people who have vintage cars
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are gonna be interested.
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We wanted something broader than that.
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And so we thought at the time,
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I had this real passion of something
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that everybody would want.
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And so I figured, well, everybody I know has a mouth.
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Everybody I know eats.
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So why not focus our energy on cookware? And we did.
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And so what I was looking for was, Danielle and I,
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are about five different things
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that we were gonna make in this cookware.
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- And this was like eight years ago, you said?
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- Yeah.
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One thing we wanted, and here's an example of what we-
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- It's definitely beautifully made.
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- One thing we wanna do is,
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we wanted to make it lighter than cast iron.
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- [Paula] Uh huh.
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- And so even though there's a tremendous amount of work
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that went into designing this.
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So the wall thickness, we played with that,
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we adjusted it, we made it thicker and thinner.
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If it was too thin, it would warp and it would be too light.
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If it was too thick, it'd be competing with a cast iron.
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So we dialed that in and we got it just right.
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The other thing I wanted, was I wanted it to be decorative.
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I'm really tired of people, I mean, not people.
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I'm really tired of the things that are available to us
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that are very blocky and contemporary.
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I wanted something very elegant and curves.
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And so that's why we designed this handle.
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- It's beautiful.
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- I wanted this handle to be as decorative as I could,
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as thin and delicate as I could,
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but still retain its strength.
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And we did that.
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Another thing we wanted to do is we wanted the bowl
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and the handle to be separate,
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so that as the bowl heats up, if you notice right here,
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we've riveted, we use traditional rivet
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to put the handle on. - [Paula] Yeah, yeah.
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- This bowl has to heat up,
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then it transfers into the handle,
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slowly works its way up here.
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And by the time it gets up to this area,
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you're done cooking. - Yeah.
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- So very rarely do you have a hot handle.
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I also put this relief in there
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because it's a great place to hang it up
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and it lets air move around through this,
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so you don't have that problem.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- Well, it's the other things that we wanted-
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- That makes sense.
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- We made it out of forged steel
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so that the heat could change rapidly.
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Like in cast iron, if you change the heat too rapidly,
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you can crack it, handles will break,
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or there'll be a split in it. - Right, right.
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- So we solved that problem.
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And we listened to everything.
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We put these pieces out there.
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We listened to the critiques that everybody had,
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and then we adjusted.
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And we believe we have one of the finest pieces
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of cookware out there. - Without a doubt.
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- The last thing we wanted, because you use it-
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- Without a doubt, they do.
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- The last thing. And you can contest this.
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And I took this as a challenge.
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They said I wanted a non-stick surface.
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Because I know there's a lot of controversy
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and a lot of problems with Teflon coated.
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- Yeah. - And health issues.
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- Yes.
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- So I wanted to make something
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that was natural and non-stick.
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And they said, everybody that I talked to,
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said you can't do it.
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And I said,
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- Oh, don't you love to be challenged?
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- Right, don't tell me I can't do it.
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- Don't tell me I can't do it.
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- So I started doing research
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and I found out before they started casting cast iron,
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they forged cookware.
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And so the interesting thing about this
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is being forged and not cast, it has a closed, porous floor,
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which means that just a small amount of oil on there
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will vibrate, and keep your food from going down.
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Like on cast iron, the pores are much bigger,
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takes more oil,
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but the food tends to get down in those cavities.
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And until you have knocked off those peaks
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and those valleys get shallower,
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then you're gonna have a sticking problem.
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So that's why vintage cast iron is so collectible,
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because everybody thinks that it's special
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and it's made of special magical metal or something.
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But it's not that at all. And so we sent you one.
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I just really thought that I wanted you to have one
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and you've used it and,
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- Yes. - It's nonstick, isn't it?
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- This is, yes, this is my favorite.
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- Now see, it's good for you too, 'cause you can lick it
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and you don't have to take an iron pill in the morning.
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(Paula laughing) - Great idea.
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I think you're the only blacksmith that I know.
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- Well...
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- I would not think there would be a lot of,
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- You know, you think that, but when I go to conventions,
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there's quite a few blacksmiths.
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And there's some very good blacksmiths out there still.
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And which is reassuring to me
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because we've been told that it's a dying art,
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and young people don't really care.
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But I'm finding that my children do care.
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They care to carry it on.
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And then we're finding that the younger generation,
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and we're finding maybe 12 to 15-year-olds
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are re-approaching this trade, and..
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- That's the point. - Interesting.
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- Because there's some things that we should never let die.
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- And here's an interesting thing.
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You see that rivet right there?
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This got me in a lot of trouble.
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- Why? - Well, not really.
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But flip right there.
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Because what this is, is this is pre-welding technology.
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This is when they couldn't stick that handle on there.
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And the only way to do it
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is they put a piece of metal in there,
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and they form, they round both sides to squeeze it.
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It's a clamping system.
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It's a beautiful, it's honest, and it's forever.
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You can't get that off unless you drill it out
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or grind it off.
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So what happened was, a few years ago, many years ago,
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now it's a few years in my brain, but it's 15 or 16,
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the state of Ohio Department of Transportation contacted me
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and said, "Hey, we have an iron bridge from 1840,
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and we need somebody that has that knowledge
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to look at this and see if it's able to be restored."
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So I traveled up to Northern Ohio,
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and we spent a couple days going over this bridge.
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And the main reason I was called is because of this,
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because it had 2,000 or more rivets that had to be replaced.
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And nobody knew how to do that anymore.
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There's very few, I'm not gonna say nobody,
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there's very few.
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And so I took the job.
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And now my family, and we have another company north of us,
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are the only people that restore these old iron bridges
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with hot riveting.
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So, currently-
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- How long did that take you to complete that job?
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- Most bridges take just under a year,
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but we have a bridge in the shop right now
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that came out of Midland, Michigan,
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and it's a 300-foot double-span iron bridge made in 1907.
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- And it fits in your shop?
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- No, it's laying out in pieces,
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all over the ground outside.
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But each piece has a tag.
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The girls will map the bridge,
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each tag corresponds to the map.
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And then what we do in the shop is restore each piece,
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put in new rivets, new metal if it needs it,
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make sure it's sound.
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Then we'll put a finish on it, take it back to site,
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put it back together like a big puzzle.
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And it'll last for another 150 years.
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And so that's quite an honor, too.
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And that is truly one of my favorite passions.
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And I've been able to convince the children
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that that's something that they should be doing, too.
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- And, you know, Doug, you're so fortunate
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that your children bought in, - Right.
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- For what you do.
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Because family businesses are hard.
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- They are. - They're hard.
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But if everybody has the same passion, it'll work.
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- And there's nothing more heartwarming than me...
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We were doing a bridge in Pennsylvania,
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and it was late at night, it was like eight o'clock,
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and all the children were on the bridge,
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and I was down below.
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So I had two-man baskets,
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and I had my daughters up in the baskets,
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and I had my son on the top riveting, and my son-in-law.
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And it was just,
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those moments that get burned into your memory,
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that's like a special moment.
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That was one of 'em.
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But we'd sure like, if you're ever up in our way,
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to come and visit the shop,
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'cause it's truly an old fashioned-
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- I would love it. - Blacksmith shop.
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We have vintage tools. - Yes, I would love to see it.
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Well, I can't wait for the next video
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because your wife, Birdie, is gonna be teaching me
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how to cook something on these beautiful pans.
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Is that right? - Right.
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We're gonna show you the versatility of these skillets.
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This is, if you notice in our packaging,
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when you get this skillet, we've included something new.
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We just started.
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We hand forged a little hook about this big,
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because all of the report back we get are,
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this skillet doesn't even go in the cupboard.
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I leave it on the stove, or it's my favorite.
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And we hear that over and over.
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And that really keeps us in a place
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that reassures us that we're doing the right thing.
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- Right. - So we make this little hook
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that you can hang somewhere by your stove,
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you make a special place for it.
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And we just include that,
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because that's kind of a guarantee.
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We know it's gonna be your special tool.
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- All right, and how do you attach that hook to-
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- That'll be a screw.
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There's a screw hole in it, and you put it on your wall,
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and you can hang your favorite skillet on there.
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It's never too far from your oven, or your stove.
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- You know, I don't have pot hangers.
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I used to have pot hangers.
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But when we redid the house,
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I shot my show here for, gosh, quite a few years.
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And the film company just took over this part of the house.
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That's what made us wanna go build down the road.
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But, so I didn't get my pot rack back,
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and I have missed it terribly bad.
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- That'd be awesome if you'd show me a picture,
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a drawing of it, and I could help you bring that thing back.
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- Well, Eddie, would you have any idea where...
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You'd see it on my shows! - Oh, yeah.
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Let's see if we can dig that up.
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- Yeah. - But, again,
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I think Birdie's going to do a steak in this,
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because there's a number of really,
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there's just a tremendous ways you can use this,
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but searing steaks is really awesome.
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We have some professional chefs in local restaurants
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that are doing crab cakes only.
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Like if you go in their kitchen,
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don't touch the skillet unless you're making a crab cake.
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- Unless you wanna lose your arm.
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- Yeah, and then the chef will only sear steaks in it.
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But Birdie's gonna explain to you
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all the ways that she uses it, and there's a lot.
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- This is a very interesting man.
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And I think y'all gonna find that the rest of his family
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is almost as interesting as the founder of this company.
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He's got a beautiful family. - Well, thank you, Paula.
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We're really- - Beautiful family.
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- Glad to be here and spend this time with you.
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- I'm so glad you finally made the effort to make it.
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And I enjoy giving hoorays
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to those people that I admire.
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And I like sharing.
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- Well... - That with people.
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- You can include this if you want or not,
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but the reason I reached out to you,
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and I think you'll remember this.
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We were watching a cooking show one time,
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and it's with Gordon Ramsay.
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- Yes, I was on Gordon Ramsay's show two or three times.
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- Well, one episode, I don't know really how to,
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you probably shouldn't air this, but,
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- Just say it. - Okay, here it is.
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I see people come there on their last leg.
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They're like waitresses or pizza delivery.
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- Yes. - And they wanna be a chef.
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- Yes. - And sometimes,
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his critique can be really cruel.
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- Absolutely, absolutely.
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- And so I,
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- I have a hard time with that.
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- Okay, but you solved it. And I'm gonna tell you why.
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Because on this one episode,
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I would see these people,
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and they would be so heartbroken that they would go home
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and just quit on everything.
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And so you came in, I don't know if you remember this show.
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You came in and you went up to them and you said,
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"Now, honey, I know this isn't your best work,
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but I believe in you."
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And you did something that I've always said
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that our country needs more Paul Harvey's.
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Remember that? - I miss Paul Harvey.
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- We have so much negativity in our,
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and I we don't need to add to that.
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And when I saw you do that, I said,
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"That is a person
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that I would like to share our cookware with."
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And that's the reason I reached out to you.
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- I did not realize that was the reason,
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but I knew that that was, that part of that show,
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the schtick was to be kinda tough.
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And I said, "I'm gonna have a problem with that."
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- Well, you solved it. Good job.
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- Good, good. I'm so glad.
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- And everybody there appreciated it, too.
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All the contestants.
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- Yes.
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- But you were such a genuine person
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that I think if we'd have more shows like that,
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we'd have a better place to live.
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- Well, I have had my show on the Internet now for,
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well, we started, actually, Doug,
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when it was COVID was running rampant and they passed,
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I don't know what you call it.
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But, anyway, we weren't allowed to leave our homes.
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- Right.
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- And I thought, "Oh, my goodness."
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And it was in on such short notice.
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I thought, how many people out there
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maybe didn't have time to get with their family,
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or anything and they're stuck by themselves in their home.
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They had the world frightened to death.
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And so I said, "I've got to figure out something to do."
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And I was talking to Bobby, one of my sons, and I said,
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"I sure would wish for a way to reach out to people
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during this terrible time."
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And he said, "Well, Mama, go do your show on YouTube."
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And I said, "I can do that?"
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He said, "Yeah, just start your YouTube channel."
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And I called it "Quarantine Cooking."
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- Oh!
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- And, of course, now, after all these years,
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it's become "Love and Best Dishes."
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And I cannot wait for you to be a part of that channel.
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- Oh, that's so exciting.
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It's such a honor to meet you, and be in your presence.
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- Thank you, thank you. You're so kind.
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And you know what I've noticed? Your hands are beautiful.
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They're beautiful. - That's amazing.
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My hands are always black, and,
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- They have no-
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- Three days of not being in the coal
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and they just shine right back up, isn't it?
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- Yeah, they're beautiful.
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You would never know by his hands that he's a blacksmith.
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(both laughing)
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Let's go to the kitchen.
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- I'm with ya. - Okay.
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